“Has there ever been a case where two teams have met in the English third level, with one will undergo successive relegations and the others obtained successive promotions so that, two seasons later, one team was out of the league and the others in the top flight? “ Jake Lennon asks. “If not, what’s the closest we’ve had?” Or has the equivalent happened abroad? “
The short answer is yes – with Mark Tollerton the first of many to name Norwich and Stockport. “They finished at opposite ends of the League One table in 2009-10,” he recalls. “Norwich finished second in the championship the following season while Stockport was at the bottom of Ligue 2 again, completing trips to the Premier League and the Conference (as it was still called at the time). Additionally, the Canaries managed to stay in the top flight for three seasons while County was once again relegated to Conference North, so in 2013-14 the two teams were competing five divisions apart.
Chris Roe points to the mid-1980s as a fertile time for third-tier teams heading in different directions. Derby County and Lincoln City met in the 1985-86 season. “Both were in Division Three but in 1987-88 the Derby was in Division One and Lincoln was in conference (fifth level),” writes Chris, who also points out that Middlesbrough and Newport County did the same. , with Boro heading to the Promised Land. in two seasons and Newport plunging into the off-league wilderness.
Mick McMenemie offers a quick and noticeable change of fortunes for two clubs in Scotland. “Livingston and Brechin faced off in the Scottish third tier in 2016-17 and both were promoted to second tier. The following year Livingston was promoted again. Brechin never won a match and finished low. They then finished low in third place … then low in fourth, but were saved from relegation by Covid-19. They still finished low the following season and now sit in the Highland League (fifth regional level). While their former third tier buddies Livingston beat Celtic at home, Brechin lost to Inverurie Loco Works. It’s not quite the two-season, four-division swing of the examples above, but it’s definitely worth noting.
Paul Brack points out that without the famous intervention of goalkeeper Jimmy Glass, Watford and Carlisle would have been a perfect example: “In 1997-98 Watford won Division Two (third tier) while Carlisle finished 23rd and was relegated. In 1998-99 Watford was promoted to the Premier League via the play-offs. Carlisle was about to drop out of the league on the final day, before Glass scored to save them.
Ross White remembers (along with others) a dramatic change in circumstances for Leicester City and Yeovil Town. “On 25 March 2014, Yeovil led Leicester in the 22nd minute, before being pushed back by a Chris Wood header two minutes after the second half timeout. Two years, a month and 12 days later, Leicester won the Premier League trophy as champion. On the same day, Yeovil lost 1-0 at home to Leyton Orient, confirming his 19th place in Ligue 2 – 86 places below his former opponents.
A splint wearing suspenders
“Reading academy graduate Jahmari Clarke scored his first two senior goals in an away win over Birmingham – and watching his post-match interview I noticed one detail totally out of hand. By the way – he has braces “, writes Calum Pettitt. “Is he the first player to score a brace wearing a device?” “
He is not. A brilliant point from reader Louis Ostrowski, who pointed us in the direction of Chelsea’s 4-1 win over Swansea in 2011, when Ramires did just that.
Field players shine in goal (2)
In last week’s Knowledge, we took a look at emergency guards who used their hands to good effect.. And there’s more. “You missed ‘Long’ John Hewie, Charlton and Scotland who often came in goal when Mickey Duff was injured or sent off, no substitutes are allowed,” writes Clive Denny. “He was a full-back, but during his time at Charlton he started in all positions and was selected as a goalie four times.” And we thought James Milner was versatile. If you want to learn more about Hewie, there is a good piece in Nutmeg.
Philip Skeldon wrote with another great example of the time. “I think you should include Aston Villa’s Con Martin in the 1950s,” he suggests. “When regular goalkeeper Joe Rutherford was injured, Con stepped in and played 26 league games and one FA Cup draw during the 1951-52 season. He first played Gaelic football which developed his handling skills. He was offered a goalkeeper contract by Manchester United, but opted to join Leeds as a center-half, before moving to Villa. He was one of my heroes as a young fan. I always remember him as having fun with a big smile. We are in great need of this spirit today.
KF Tirana midfielder Ali Mema surely had a large one on his coupon when he played in the 1963 Albanian Cup final. “Mema managed to save three penalties on the penalty shoot-out. of the Albanian Cup final, which they won against KF Besa, “writes Erblin. Maçi. “The game went on penalties after a home and away final. KF Tirana regular goalkeeper Metani was injured during the game and substitute Beliu was injured in overtime. Mema therefore entered the goal for the shooting. He saved three penalties from Thabit Rexha (at the time only one player could shoot all a team’s penalties) and KF Tirana managed to win 5-1. Here is an excerpt from the local newspaper.
Wait, in Albania in 1963 they a) had secondary goalies and b) allowed a player to take all the penalties? Really, we had no idea. Does anyone have any other local and historical peculiarities to report? Contact us if this is the case.
“As I walked past Colchester United the other day, I thought to myself how close it is to the A12 – apparently less than a goal kick from the road. In addition, the stands are not the largest and it is not a “ball” stadium, so I think it is quite possible to throw a ball from the ground on the A12 “, Philip Genochio thought in 2011. “So two questions: Has a balloon been blown off the ground on the A12 yet and can another stadium claim to be closer to a main road? “
Well, no one has made it to the A12 from Western Homes Community Stadium so far, Colchester United said, although David Prutton once took the ball out of the stadium being sent off against Tranmere. The pitch, however, has been built with safety in mind and the distance between the stadium and the road has been carefully calculated.
Many lots share the proximity of Colchester with a main thoroughfare. The A23 at Crawley is certainly a road to avoid on a Saturday afternoon: “Broadfield Stadium is located just off the A23 and it’s without even a grandstand separating them,” wrote Jamie Morrison. “There is more of a net but which is regularly cleared by the efforts of defenders outside the league to put the ball in touch. “
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“The Premier League table now only has four teams with a positive goal difference. Is this the smallest number ever with a positive difference? Asks David Ellemor-Collins.
“Could Eddie Howe’s Bournemouth-Newcastle trip be the longest intra-England transfer of leadership ever? Richard Powell asks.
“In the last round of the Champions League, No.91 Atalanta (Duvan Zapata) scored against Young Boys goalkeeper (Guillaume Faivre), who also wore No.91. Is this the highest case of someone scoring against their counterpart? Jim Hearson thinks.
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